No, The "Impossible" Burger is NOT Vegan!!

My comment on this sad and disappointing vid and the ensuing debate that followed (all of which you may read under the said vid):

Jasmine and Chris, I am VERY disappointed… thought MUCH better of you two.

I mean, What a Load of CRAP.

I am talking about the horrible article you've linked to here; I thought you simply do not KNOW, that you are, simply, not AWARE, of the fact that the "impossible" stuff is strictly NOT a Vegan product – and here I see you do actually KNOW that and linked to a carnist and speciesist article, claiming war is peace, lie is truth etc.

A TRUE Vegan shall NEVER write "it becomes far more complicated when you consider 1. the reasons behind the testing, 2. the potential these products have to spare millions of animals, 3. the precedent we and other vegans have set when making similar ethical decisions to benefit ourselves and companion animals, and 4. whether the vegan movement best serves animals by opposing speciesism or by seeking to avoid it".

This is because a TRUE Vegan shall NEVER seek to legitimate ANY animal-testing WHATSOEVER, NOT for "a life saving medicine!!" (crap to begin with, but even had it been scientifically sound), and MOST DEFINITELY NOT for "hey, let's enjoy yet another sort of fast-food!!"

I mean, suddenly, torturing/abusing poor, helpless Animals, as if they were inanimate objects, is fine, just because the "end result" is producing a plant-based what-EVER?!??


NO EXCUSE FOR ANIMAL ABUSE = THAT is THE most basic principle of Veganism. Otherwise, you are NOT Vegans, but merely "plant-based for health reasons" or such other crap, who shall later eat the murdered bodies of innocent fish, because "I rad it's actually healthy" or something… THAT is the precedent set, by ANYONE willing to legitimize THAT line of products.

And – No, for the poor Animals abused and tested for that meal of yours, it was NOT worth it.

[After Chris claimed, such testings were also made on other stuff – including various spices, garlic and pea protein – which we do all accept as Vegan]  Spices have been in use for centuries, even millennia, already by the time of Arab traders bringing them from the Indian Ocean to the Assyrian Empire, so it is completely irrelevant. Same goes for peas – humans have been eating these for thousands of years, so bringing it into the debate is merely mixing irrelevant themes.

If "Impossible" had found it impossible, to manufacture their products without any animal-testing, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT! There are way MORE than enough good Vegan burgers already in the World, no "need" to create yet new ones, in order to veganize anybody – whoever craves / likes the taste of meat, cheese and the likes, has options in abundance. And, to actually cause ANY suffering to a living being, just in order to create yet one MORE option!?

Always think: What would you have felt or thought, had they made those testings on human children from poor and helpless families (perhaps from those horrible detention-centers at your southern border) – would you have justified THAT action, too? Would you have bought and joyously eat those burgers then?

If yes – well, then there truly isn't anything more for us to talk about; but, if yes, then THIS shall mean, that human lives ARE far more valuable, in your opinion, than Rats' (or whichever helpless Animal they had tested that stuff upon) = which shall mean that you ARE a carnist, even if a "Plant-Based Diet Eating" one – which, in turn, shall make me only wish you shall, someday, become TRUE Vegan = which, right now, you sadly aren't.

[Then, Chris linked this listIf, as you imply, all those were tested on Animals, then it is a monstrosity, the level of which I cannot even begin to contemplate.

However, this does not give us a carde blanche to keep ON doing it, and carrying on testing stuff upon helpless Animals, in order to develop new flavours, simply because we have been doing it before. Such a view is nullifying the very point of choosing to go Vegan.

It is one thing, to eat something which might contain an ingredient tested back on the 1970's; it is, however, a very different thing, to accept and joyfully eat something new, the manufacture of which required yet new testing, simply in order to create yet one more (and totally unnecessary) version of a false-meat fast food.

​[and, after Chris declared his complete objection to animal-testing, claimed the problem to be in the FDA and that it shall help veganize many more people]  I completely agree with you, that the problem lies within the FDA and its ways – no doubt about it. However, my point is that, once the "Impossible" people found out, that – in order to manufacture their stuff – they shall be required to test anything on yet ANOTHER Animal (who was NOT a victim beforehand), they should have said, "No, we will choose a different path, or simply join some other manufacturer (no matter whom), but we shall NEVER carry yet another such atrocity, towards ANY Animal, no matter what!" – as there already ARE enough Vegan faked-meat alternatives around, quite a few of them very much like "the original" and so, there truly isn't any real need for yet one more – Most CERTAINLY not at the cost, of causing suffering to even one single being.

And, once they chose to carry on regardless and to actually do that animal-testing, they have ceased to be Vegan – and same goes for all their products.

And I do NOT accept, that expecting Vegans to not touch those products, is a "slander"! I'm merely trying to make you listen to your own conscious.

A Massive Victory for Freedom and Common Sense

From the Opening of the Story "Land of the Free":

Paedophile Sex Laws Repealed

In landmark decisions both in the USA and across Europe it was suddenly decided to relax and decriminalize virtually all of the existing laws relating to paedophilia and child pornography.

Authorities in all these countries agreed that police time was better spent in tackling the worsening problems with drug related crime and they also agreed that in the interest of personal individual freedom these laws had gone too far. It was true that more children were either killed or maimed due to motor car accidents in one week than any harm had ever come to children because of paedophile activity. For that reason the governments have announced a new set of strict laws relating to speeding motorists and the tracking down of drug barrens who are causing devastation to all societies on earth. There has been a virtual witch hunt over the past few years regarding paedophiles and now that all looks to be over.

Paedophiles in prison are to be released within the next few days and the Internet is set to be deregulated and allowed to operate with complete freedom and autonomy. It is thought that paedophile websites will openly flourish within weeks.

A spokesperson for the government said 'if there really is a big market for this type of content out there, and we think there is, then who are we to pass judgment on human nature and what is considered normal or not'. Secret government surveys carried out revealed a very large majority of adults actually supported deregulation of paedophilia and child pornograhy.

Amongst other surprising changes in the sex laws it was decided to virtually abolish the age of consent for sexual activity of all kinds, putting in its place instead rules stating that a parent's consent was the only consideration for any sort of sexual activity to take place with a child under the age of 12. For age 12 and over, only the consent of the child was required. The laws clearly gave the green light to a sexual revolution, but of course were greeted with dismay by religious groups (at least for public consumption).

Ian Baldock who was jailed for running the largest child pornography website on the Internet said 'this is a massive victory for freedom and common sense. There are of course some men and women who find older partners sexually attractive, and there is never harassment of them. so why should the great number of men and women who prefer much younger, and even very young human beings be singled out. There are a lot of men and women in this world who have been deprived of the enjoyment of seeing children as they are truly intended to be seen. A little girl is a beautiful, wonderful bundle of sexual treasure and now we can begin to openly enjoy those treasures. They really are made of 'sugar and spice and all things nice'.

At our own dark present, this is only a Lovely Fantasy – but, I do Hope that, in the fullness of time, it SHALL become real